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Big Al liked this post, so I saved it for him and everyone else to read. Yoda, Re: Am I getting Takin? You may remember the guy from cananda asking about his cycle. Anyway you advised me on the D-BOL and Milk thistle. And you mentioned you were on SUS250 and DECA and D_BOL. Any chance of posting some details on that stack, doasges, etc. As it my first time and thats what I want to go with I'd appreciate your view on the cycle. Im just ironing out dosages and Im lookin at my maybe 2mg/per pound per week. Cost would be interesting aswell, but hey I don't wanna take up all of your day! Thanks Big AL. ***************************** What are your stats and goals big al? I could write ya up a cycle *************************** Hi Mike, Thanks very much, not sure exactly what stats you need so 've got it all here mate, Im from the UK and we like to post our life stories! I'm 5'10' 224 pounds. 26 Years Old Bf about 16% maybe 17%, I can only see my top abs......just! I've been traing since 93 naturally and started at about 154 pounds. Train 5 days a week Mon - Back Tue - Chest Wed - Rest Thur - Legs Fri - Shoulders/Traps Sat - Arms Sun - Sleep (alot!) Never done any gear, but have read a lot a feel Im ready now. Eating 400KCAL plus per day 350+Pro 500+Carbs 80 Fat Typical day Brakfast 100grams oats 2 scoops Prolab N-Large 1 Scoop protein Mid-Morning 3 Scoops Prolab N-Large Noon 1 tin Tuna 1/2 tub (125g)low fat Cottage Cheese 1 Banana Lunch 1 and 1/2 tins of Tuna 1/2 Tub cottage cheese 300grams Potatoes 1 Protein Afternoon 3 scoops N-Large Pre-Training 1 ECA 75grams Carbs (During) Post-Traiinng 2 Chicken Breats Potatoes Carrots Brochailli Before Bed 1 Protein Take a Multi Vit Liseen oil Prolab 2000 amino's 20 Grams of L-Glutamine ( 10 apon rising, 10 before bed, away from other protein sources) 2000mg glusomine sulfate 4000mg Vitamin C Lots of water! 17inch guns 45 inch chest 24 inch quad 15 inch calfs All aprox as I dont go into measuring myself that often. Live in a small house........drive a p..... Enough of me! Big Al *************************** Mike, I forgot my goals...... I want to compete (EFFB S.E Britain -First Timers) next year 12 months exactly. So I see this as quality mass cycle. Want to gain 10-15 pounds of muscle but keep the gains where possible. Cheers Big Al *************************** deca 400/wk sus 500/wk Both for 8wks - no taper Dbol wk 1-4 wk 1-3 40mg/day wk 4 40mg/day EOD Clomid post cycle and milk thistle good luck be safe *************************** Mike, Thanks for that Couple of things, If I've 100mg per 1CC Vials do you inject all at the same time or every couple of days, same with the Sus250? On the D-Bol is that broken ito 20mg in the Am and 20mg in the PM? In Week 4 (DBOL) is that tapering of sorts EOD = Every other Day ? 500mg Milk thilstle enough per day? for the whole cycle. Clomid week nine 50 mg, week ten 100mg and week eleven 50 mg per day? Do you believe in anything else for the liver during the cycle or are my present Vits and supplements enought. Any Nolvadex on hand for the the Gyno? Thanks Mike, I appreciate the advise. Hey I might do an EAS before and after type pic! Big Al *************************** Bro you got it down perfect - thats how you should do the clomid - yes keep nolva on hand, yes thats a perfect amount of milk thistle and drink TONS of water every day - dont drink alcohol. As for the dbol - i would take it all an hour before you work out - either way will be effective though. As for the splitting of the shots you will need 2ccs of sus a wk and 4 ccs of deca. So I would do two or three shots. To be honest, personally i would do 2 shots. One cc of sus in each and 2 deca - split it up - once sunday once wednesday or however you want to. good luck bro! and yeah take the before and after pics definitely! i always do before my cycles. Would love to see how it goes. *************************** Mike, I like it....I feel like Im growing already! Sorry can I just check a couple of things again. So the DBOL the EOD does stand for Every Other Day? And I mix the Sus and 200mg or Deca into one needle and inject into one site? Or could I inject, sus into thigh, 1 deca in to each glute and alternate this each time, left, right etc. Maybe thats a bit stupid? Whatever method I think I like to rotate injection sites. So Sunday hit glutes and Wednesday thighs, keep the scar tissue to a min. If I do get signs of gyno 20mg od Nolvadex until its clears up and 10mg for the rest of the cycle? Cheers Big Al And Yep I reackon Ill keeps some photo's Bill Philips eat your heart....and I did all without having to drink a single super shake! *************************** yes on nolv - and ONLY when you show signs as it will inhibit your gains and yes EOD means every other day - sorry and mix the deca and sus in one shot and this will prevent the sus from getting sore. Yes you're right on alternating sites - you sounds very well informed and like you have done your research - thank you. I am MORE than happy to help those that have helped themselves. *************************** Thanks Very much Mike, I thought when long and hard about taking Gear and I thought the best thing I could do was learn as much as I could. I wanted to know exactly what I was taking and why and how etc etc. I think Im happy my research so far I still want to go back and go over the drug profiles I've choose again just to be 100% aware of what they do and how. I really appreciate your imput, I've read your stats and I think that and the understanding you convey through your threads really speak for themselves! On mixing the Sus and Deca, would I use one syringe to do this with a bigger guage needle, and then change needles or transfer to another syringe. I must admit I've learned about how and where to inject, but even in some of the books I've read there not too much info on mixing, choosing needles etc. Im just going through Chemical Warfare by Paul Borressen (RIP) and he does mention a little bit about needle sizes, but not mixing. Any imput on mixing would be a great help. Thanks again. actually one other thing gains, the clomid helps kick start the the body's natural test levels and helps keep the gains. Is there anything else you've learnt to keep the gains? I was thinking of loading on creatine after the cycle and maybe using HMB as I've found it benefical in the past, my reasoning here is that HMB is primarily anticatabolic and may defend against the body becoming off balance after the anabolic agents have left the body? Only an idea. Thanks Very Much Mike, I keep you informed on my progress, Big Al *************************** i am a bit dissapointed i missed out on a constructive thread but i get my part here!! ok Big Al i rememeber your first post and mike is right its good to help people who have learned something after reading the who post I would like to add one or two things and answer your last post Mike's cycle is spot on only one thing I would taper down the dbol differently as taking it eod wouldnt be effective due to the short half life doesnt mean either of us is wrong or right just different ideas i would run it in the last week 35,30,25,20,15,10,10 something like that just my ideas but i have done a straight stop with no seeming side effects in the middle of a test cycle so its up to you the only rason for the taper is to stop a crash in effect but when you are on test and deca the crash doesnt happen do either way will do. As for oyur injection procedures different people with different ways this is what i do on your cycle open your amps 3 amps 1 of sust 2 of deca thats presuming your deca is 100mg/1ml then mix them all together in a 3cc barrel use an 18g 1 1/2" pin to draw it up then change the pin for either of these for your quad 22g or 23g i use a 24g but thats with test enanth you can use either a 1" on the quads or 1 1/2" on your glutes after you have changed the pin i run it under a red hot tap for 5 mins it makes the liquid runny as it is oil based and the injection is easier then away you go remember to aspirate to make sure you are not in a vessel or vein I thin kthat covers it hope its not to mixed up!! peace jason *************************** Thanks Jason, Don't be disappointed as I've read alot of your threads an I have learnt alot from them, so infact your input was there from the start. Books are great, but its nice to hear real views from people who are at the sharp end. I can't think of anything more nerve racking than opening those vials and not knowing what the hell I do now! Mike and yourself have been great thanks for the input. On the Injecting can I just clarify what I think goes on. So open the vials and draw up into one 3cc Barrel, so effectively drawing up both Steriods into one barrell one after the other. DO this with the larger needle as to make it easier. Should I then shake the barrell to mix? Change to a smaller needle and depending on site depends on lenght of needle. Run under hot water to heat mixture to aid injection. From what I read I thought I might stand on one leg or even lay down to take the weight off the glute. Hey, fuck it I think this should be a job for my girlfriend. Whoever injects after inserting into muscle pull-back on syringe to check for blood. Slowly release injection. I assume this will be a slow process as they're oil based, slower the better? Cool I think thats all. sorry to go over the same ground but I like to make sure I fully know what you mean. I think is a control thing but I really need to understand what Im doing otherwise its all too easy to do your self some harm. Thanks Jason. And Ill bear in mind the D-Bol tapering, thanks. As I said I probably won't get going on this until my shopping list has been filled. Ill keep you all updated, hey I might go online just as Im mixing the vials just to double check Can't say Im not thorough! Big Al *************************** yup - you got it bro, and yeah go slowly - when you inject you will be able to feel what your muscle is willing to take - I put pressure on the plunger and let my legs just take it as fast or slow as it wants. But injecting fast increases your chances of an absess jason's right on about the injection/neddle info but DAMN jason - 24g?? LOL *************************** yes i am a pussy when it comes to needles!! but ill tell you waht it goes through real well with test enanth and deca its a bit harder with test prop but still works well mine go in real quick like 3cc's in about a min not had any probs!! i sometimes look at the 18 and think fuck imagine using that!! like a toothpick!! jason *************************** Hey Thanks guys, Im feelin' a little ill now after all the mention of needles! I suppose it can't be any worst than a leg session! A question on Purchases, I've got potentially two suppliers both of which are Gym owners, and both Gym's are well respected in the UK and they always turn out decent competitors. Both Use their own supply. This is quite good really, so on the quesions of price and quality can I assume if both suppliers are selling legit stuff the quality should be the same so to separate the two on price will be OK? Im gonna have to consider whether they can get everything I need, so infact I may use both of them. I waffle so I round this one up, any thoughts on first time purchases would be appreciated. Thanks again! Big Al *************************** Damn well if it works....I have never tried injecting with a 24, didnt think it would work too well Al - I'm sorry bro I am not sure what your question is..?? *************************** Sorry Mike waffled abit on that one. Really I was interested in what factors to look for when purchasing. Is the general quality the same of the main manufacturers barring fakes, and therefore can I choose between suppliers by price? Hope that makes sense, Big Al *************************** BIG Al, sorry I couldn't get to your post, I was on vacation. Since Mike hit it right on the money I will only answer the cost question TEST....1ml amp..250mgs...7 dollars deca(brovel)...10ml bottle....1ml-200mgs...60 dollars d-bol(reforvit-b)...50ml bottle...1ml-25mgs...25 dollars I get all this stuff 20 miles inside of the boarder. If you want to know the dosages that I take, just ask. Later *************************** ok i think i understand your question now- as far as your suppliers go...if you trust neither are selling fakes then yes it just comes down to price if one is considerably more expensive it doesnt necesarily mean its better quality or one is fake etc There are so many variables in the black market you could find one guy selling you juice for one price and the next selling to you for half that - so just be careful and good luck bro *************************** Thanks Guys, I think Im sorted for the time being. Im giving myself a few weeks to get the diet spot on, up my training intensity and generally gear myself for the first course. Ill keep you posted on what they charge me over here in the UK. So thanks again for replying to by my many questions and thanks for the praise, I have were possible tried to do my homework. Yoda your threads on post cycle have been very useful thanks bro. Mike and Jason - couldn't have got better info anywhere, thanks! Ill be in touch, soon Big Al *************************** Hey, An update on the above. 1-8 400mg Deca Per week 500mg Sus Per Week 1-3 40mg D-Bol ED 4 D-Bol Tappered to a finish Clomid,Clen post cycle 500 mg M/T ED Noldvadex on hand for gyno. Anyway: One of my suppliers has come back to me with some prices and some info. A couple of questions if I may? The guys a competive body builders and he seems to have a good knowledge. 1.) he suggests using Equipoise rathter than D-Bol, he reackons there's not too much diff between the two, I thought D-Bol was much faster acting the reasoning behind stacking it in the first four weeks. I don't think Equipoise works in the same way or affects the subcuteous muslce like D-BOl. The main thing here is Eq is alot more expensive, and I would have thought of stacking that with Winny. What do you think? And if I did take Eq instead would 300mg per week be enough? Trouble is lots of injections! 2.) He also suggest HCG aswell as clomid. HCG does stimulates endogenous testosterone production, however it does not help in re-estab-lishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis. Therefore, the hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a poor state after taking sus etc, and as far as I've read the situation remains like this. I assume this is why Clomid is choosen as it does stimulate the hypothalamus. Is HCG really effective if your using Clomid? And if taking HCG would 3500I.U every 5 days be for the duration of the Clomid and Clen be ok? Sorry If I go on. Big Al *************************** Al Your stack looks perfect - I dont know why he is telling you that EQ is the same as dbol - I like the stack you have it looks great - I have been on a stack almost identical and loved it - and yes EQ stacks really well with winny but whole different kind of cycle - HCG works well with clomid he's right about that - it's up to you - it is not necessary but look into HCG info and decide if you want to bother throwing that in - it would help but its up to you if you wanna buy it *************************** Cheers Mike, Yeh he confused be there cos I couldn't see his logic, I should trust my research. I think the HCG is ok, but I like the fact that Clomid actually gets the testes working again compared to HCG increasing test levels. Plus clomid is a mild anti-estrogen, estrogen is bound to increase once I come off the gear. I was gonna take the Clen for the duration of the clomid (10days after last shout). 4 per day, two on one off. Or should I taper up? Its three weeks Monday till I start, but I seem to be training with a new found focus already. Thanks the help , Big Al *************************** OK here Iam once again! NEED HELP: On the Deca, vials sizes, I've been quoted on the Deca at being 2ml = 200mg. Is this a common size, or is a 1ml vial available? Thanks on that one, my second supplier hasn't told me if he's got 2ml or 1ml but he quoted the same price as the first. Second thing, How many clomid in a box? And How much Nolvadex do you keep on hand? I was thinkging of having 60 10mg tabs available. Just want to get everything straight before I put my order in, I don't want to run out of Clomid or Nolvadex. Big Al *************************** ok bro here goes with the help nolva good idea clomid 24 per box usually u need 28 get 2 if u can only buy in boxes. deca comes in many sizes 2ml/200mgs maybe norma hellas from greece or organon im not sure but they are both ok anything else feel free to ask peace jason *************************** Yep Cheers Jason, Im gonna get two boxes of Clomid, I can alwasy use them again. And 60 tabs of Nolvadex. Right Im gonna get 5mg Anabol or Naposim, is there any real difference in effectiveness? The Sus is Karachi. Which i think is good stuff?? On the Deca one guys selling 2ml and the other 1ml, but both charging £7.00. So effectively the second guy is twice as expensive, as it turns out he's been more expensive on everything bar the D-Bol. I think he's putting an extra markup for himself! The only other thing is the Clen, I was gonna do that with the clen 2 days on one day off 4 tabs a day. But I kow you've suggested in the past tapering up. Big Al *************************** bro explain to me what you mean about the clen doing it with what the dbol??? im lost but i can help if u explain as for the sust karachi is ok no worries, naposims seem to be copied more than anabol but there are copies of both and both of the real ones are good all I know is that if you dont feel them within 2 days they are not real cos dbol is something oyu can feel straight away especially in your head well it is for me you might be different. how much was the deca per 100mgs???? let me know think thats all jason *************************** white naposims are the best dbol jason. i tried them and i felt them right away. *************************** Jason, Clen and D-Bol no no no no! I want to start the Clen with Clomid and I was going to do 4 tabs a day. Two days on one day off for three weeks. The 1ml Deca is £7.00. Thats means I need two of those to every 2ml vial the other guy is selling. Works out expensive. Jason, this is what I getting and being charged: Supplier 1 £311, will pay £300 for cash. Sus250 £5.00 1ml, 250mg Karachi Deca £7.00 2ml, 200mg D-Bol £0.20 Per 5mg tabs Anabol Clomid £17.50 24 tabs Clen £12.00 30 tabs Nolvadex £10.00 30 tabs Supplier 2: £436 Sus250 £4.50 1ml, 250mg Karachi Deca £7.00 1ml, 100mg Yellow D-Bol £0.15 Per 5mg tabs Naposism Clomid £20.00 24 tabs Clen £20.00 30 tabs Nolvadex £15.00 30 tabs Make of that what you will. Both are legit as far as I can see. Im gonna order the stuff tommorrow. why Iam I gonna feel the D-Bol in my head? Big Al *************************** i dont know when YOU will feel the dbol, but i felt a good pump a few days after i started. naposim is great stuff and i love them. they should have triangles on them. wilson *************************** thanks for info from that vet wilson are you 16 yet?? anyway Al just can feel the dbol sometimes i get headaches at first but then got used to them thats all but it was just like i knew i had took some on day 2 they are both good if they are real oh yeah wilson how many thai's have you had then?? and all the prices look ok the first guy just go for it if it saves u alot of hastle sometimes a bit mmore money isnt a problem as long as you arent a tight arse it wont kill you just to have peace of mind and what you want peace jason *************************** Thanks Jason, What did you think to the Clen? i.e. two days on one day off, 4tabs per day??? I didn't quite understand the following?? "and all the prices look ok the first guy just go for it if it saves u alot of hastle sometimes a bit mmore money isnt a problem as long as you arent a tight arse it wont kill you just to have peace of mind and what you want" Does that mean I should pay more for the 1ml vials or the 2ml vials are more convient??? Big Al Oh and Where do you get the needles? Cheers Bro. O *************************** i didnt use thai dbol, jason. i used white naposim dbols from romania. 100 of them 25 mg a day. gained 9 lbs. not much *************************** jason are you trying to insult my intelligence and opinions because im 16??? if so thats fucked up. *************************** Al I would go with the clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off start on as many as you want but dont go over 8 per day dont taper down just up but if oyu want to do it the way you sdid it will still work just different people do it different ways just that most people say that the 2 weeks on and off are more effective. And as for the other thing I just go with whatever is easier for you sometimes its worth paying a little more if its just easier up to you peace jason *************************** Jason, Hi hows things? Im sorting out everything and I've got to the needles stage. Being from England I thought you'd be able to tell be about blue, green and orange needles??? I was planning on using a 23G Blue needle, but I don't know how long that is??? Im going to alternate injections sites, glute, thigh, delt. Would that needle be suitable for all sites????? And can I use the same sise to draw the fluid out of the vial???? Ive found and an English company that sells online, so that good. What do you use to disinfect the site and the needle???? The big day is the Monday 9th July! I've lost abit of wieght recently, cleaning my diet up for the cource. Im about 218-220 rather than the previous 224, do I keep the dosage of D-Bol the same at 40mg ED? Thanks Jason, Big Al *************************** bro i got your email i just havent replied yet but seeing as you posted ehre to ill write the answers here ok heres the procedure mix the sust and deca together in one shot of not more than 3 cc's use a 18g 1.5" needle to draw up the gear it wont go through a 23g for some reason then when you have drawn up the 2 change the pin for this is how i would go quad 23g or 24g 1" glute 23 or 24g 1.5" delts 23 or 24g 1" after you have chaged the needle I would run it under a hot tap for a few minutes while in the barrel it seems to make it more runny due to the oil base and it goes in easier I persoanlly just rotate quads and use 24g 1" after first few times it got real easy with no pain at all sust might hurt a little but mixing it with the deca will help. Use alcohol to swab the site with cotton wool dont touch the needle just push all the air out and when you see a small bit of gear run down the needle that will ubricate it a but and away you go remember to aspirate no blood then in you go some people say slow but i just get it over and done with when its warn it usually only take a min for about 3cc's think thats all bro good luck peace jason *************************** Hey, I thought I'd keep my thread going as I can print it off before I start my course and re-read. So I ordered some needles, and what did I get just flippin' needles no cylinder, Is that normal????? I've got 100 21G 1.5" (Green's) and 100 23G 1" (Blue's). Well that should last me like all of my life! I thought I'd use the 21G 1.5" for drawing up and for my Glutes and the 23G 1" for my Delts and Quads. Does that sound OK, the 21G looks a little painful. I also ordered 100 pre-injections swabs coated in Alchol, so I thought they'd be good. So do I now need a 2.5ml, 5ml or 10ml Luer Slip Syringe. I take it this is the barrell, the bit that holds the fluid?????? I've now got Kava Kava and Milk thistle (standardised) 100mg tablets. The gears coming, so its just these damn barrell things. However the good thing, the needles and pads were about .00. I think thats pretty cheap considering how long they will last. Cheers, Big Al *************************** bro i have never tried to draw up with a 21 so I cant tell you if it will work i tried with a 23 and there is no way it would work so you ll have to try and see if not you will need 18g's like i said to draw and your pin size for shooting is correct 1" quads and delts and 1.5" for glutes good luck jason *************************** Jason, Ill have to try as this site only sells 25,21 and 23G. Can I test with cooking oil???? On the Barrell, as I said they didn't send any. The choices on the site are: a 2.5ml, 5ml or 10ml Luer Slip Syringe. I take it this is the barrell, the bit that holds the fluid?????? Thanks again Jason, I won't ask so many dumb arsed questions next cycle! Big Al *************************** sorry bro i knew you asked something else well im not sure depends how much gear you have to inject per time i was last doing 3cc's that was 2cc deca and 1cc test per shot so just work it out i never tried 5cc only 3's its your choice depends on how many injections you want to do peace jason *************************** Jason, So is 2.5ml 2.5cc and 5ml 5cc? Therefore as Im doing 200mg of Deca and 250mg of Sus per shot. Which is going to be 3ml intotal I suppose Im gonna have to go with the 5ml? Is this a bad choice, would there be too much air in that cyclinder. I think Im confusing myself here. Big Al *************************** I may be a little confused so correct me if I am wrong but it sounds like you are asking this: You have deca 100 and sus 250, you want to take 200mg of deca and 250 of sus - thats the 3mls total that you are talking about (and yes cc and ml is interchangeable) You are wondering what size syringe to put this in? Get the 5ml syringe - there wont be any air in it because the last 3mls will not even be used - they will be obselete - it wont make any difference whether you are using a three ml or a 5 - your shot will go fine both ways. Let me know if I even understood the question right. *************************** yes you are right bro ill tell you what if you send it to me ill tell you what it was like and i did it!!! jason *************************** Mike, You the man, exactly waht I wanted to know! I will order the 5ml syringes, 100 and then Im set. One thing can I shot in my glutes with a 1.5 21G?????? And Jason, what Im gonna do is send you all my gear, syringes needles, supplements, training plan diet eyc. And you can do everyhting for me........if your happy with the results then Ill try it for myself LOL!! I take it that what you meant! Ps you think Im bad now wait till I start Im gonna do weekly pics and stats! Thanks guys, Big Al *************************** Yes that will work fine - personally I use a 22 but if you want to shove a 21 in ya... Look what you started big Al! This post just won't die! LOL good luck brother *************************** Thanks Mike, I was just thinking about asking you another question.......sorry! Im about 220 now, lost alittle fat over the course of my thread. Anyway for the first 3 weeks Ill be takin' 1,180mg of AAS. How do you go about working out a safe level dosage. For instance when I posted my stats what is the calculation you used to calculate the dosagage ? Im interested in this for future stacks I want to design a cutting stack after this one. I've got all my supplies now! And yes that 21g looks scary but I think thats standard in the UK. Thanks Mike. Big Al *************************** Sorry to be apain, but any thought on the processes behind structuring a safe but affective dose of AAS would be interesting and informative. Please guys I would like to here some thoughts on this one. Big Al *************************** Ok doses are calculated on experience AND weight with a number of other variables. And it varies so severely between types of AASs that there is no formula that you could use to create your cutting cycle. I didnt necessarily calculate doses based on your weight but rather how much experience you had versus how susceptible you would be to certain doses of certain ASs - There are some potent and relatively universal novice cycles that will do a great deal for a wide range of weight and age classes - for example, deca 400/sus 500 is a very popular stack, I would recommend it to the novice thats anywhere from 150-250 - it is more pertinent that they are a novice than how much they weigh. This is what will determine how much of a difference it will make in the person. It's like the stock market I guess. If you look at a company that trades publicly - it doesnt necessarily matter that it pulls in 40bil. $ revenues a year if that is a consistent profit - you will opt for the company that pulls in 40MIL one year and 80MIL the next - because that is substantial growth and that is what makes a difference, It doesnt matter if you are 150lbs or 250lbs - if you shock your body by adding something genetically abnormal then it will make a huge difference. The more you do this the less of a shock it will be - hence needed higher doses NOT for the heavier guy but for the more experienced. Though it is important to note that size will make a difference in how much the body will be able to physically handle. I would not recommend the doses I take to a 120lb guy. I dont know if I answered your question or just rambled let me know M *************************** Cheers Mike, you've reiterated what I had thought myself. Im interested in this because its like give the guy a fish he can eat today give a guy a fishing rod he can eat everyday. Different AAS have different strenghts and different half lifes etc etc so I guessed there no way to equate a number of mg per pound of body weight. Anabolic review gives some base dosages and I suppose as knowledgeable as you are your knowledge has most probably grown through experience, trial and error and understanding how your own body's responses to gear. When you first drink a pint will get you drunk but 5 years later it may take 8! Im prepared for my stack physically, diet, training etc. However, I want 100% mental focus and for me that requires understanding as much of what Im doing; how and why. My concerns are for those around me who may be shocked by my gains, and though I do not feel ashamed of what I about to do I know full well I well have to lie about it. That plays on my mind, but I suppose it is another item in the Con list and you have to take into consideration all the cons aswell as the pro's. Sorry I waffled here Mike but yes you did answer my question, or reassured me I wasn't missing something. Thanks again Big Al *************************** Hi Big Al Thanks for the e-mails yesterday.still reading up on all info so I am 100% sure. Its shame that you will have to lie about taking the gear as I will probably do when I finally get my first cycle sorted.Its not you being dishonested its other peoples perception and ignorance to the subject.What they don,t know or understand just makes them think it is wrong. I have read that taking L-Glutamine can help in blocking Edema ,the extra cellular water that can be caused by taking steriods.This will give you harder bigger fuller looking muscles over the bloated puffy look you can sometimes get from steriods.Doses are from 2mg to 4mg 4 times a day.Maybe Mike would know more info about this like I say I have only read this.Mike? Billy *************************** Glad to help. On the L-Glutamine I can't clarify that myself. I take L-Glutaime because of its muscle building qualities. Being natural at the moment its an excellent anti-catabolic and aids recoverery, it the most abudant amino acid in the body. I take 10g in the morning and 10g before before, both on an empty st. Im going to keep my sodium intake low whilst on the D-Bol as the will be the main culprit of water retention. Big Al *************************** Big Al- Trust me - I went through A LOT of wrong cycles to figure out where my limits were. Wasted a lot of money and time and did a lot of stupid things. You are learning more than you think though just by being on this board. Next cycle you will be 4times as prepared as you were for this one. You will have an understanding of what to do and not do and what works for you ad how certain things effect you. I never suggest really big or expensive cycles for the first time because its a learning process and you will make mistakes etc, it will be a trial an error cycle that you learn from and will most likely screw up. Everyone screws up their first cycle to an extenmt but thats a good thing. Just keep doing what you're doing and next time come to the board with your own cycle written for yourself and see how close you came to being "accurate" we wont let you do anything that wont be right for you anyway. It's just kinda something you pick up - there is no handbook or I would send it to ya good luck be safe *************************** Mike, You have agreat way of putting things! I've made alot of mistake in my life and hopefully learnt from them. And Im sure this process will be no different. We're lucky to have your experiences on line. I never had this input when I started training, I reackon I would have grown like a mad man if I had know then what I know now about training and diet etc. So hopefully the knowledge base is growing and my mistakes will be fewer, but hey its all theory so far I need some practical experince! Soon! Thanks, Big Al *************************** No problem big guy - I sometimes wonder where Id be if I was active in message boards like this when i started but I dont want to be those people that trust every word someone tells them and never tries something out for themselves - I feel very confident in the advice I give because I have been down that road and the alternative/lesser path as well - and know first hand why it's good advice. good luck to ya bro I am very curious to see how your cycle goes - keep us posted M *************************** Thats a good point, take advice but verify what your doin' through research etc. no worries Ill be updating this thread through out my course. I have an urge to have the biggest thread on the board LOL. Im gonna post some pics, before and after. If all goes well that is. Cheers again bro, no wonder you get hassle all day long.....you have a lot to share. Big Al *************************** Hello, As promised pic's of my gear. I've checked and as far as I can see the legit. What I got 2 (24 per box) Boxes Clomiphene citrate 50mg. This are made my HELLAS 30 20mg Tamoxifen Tablets BP, Generics UK 16cc Nandrolone Decanoate 100mg per 1ml (2ml Vials) NORMA 200 Naposim 5mg, from Romania 50 0.02mg Clenbuterol, from Romania 16cc Susanon 250, Karachi made by Organon. And in case you don't know, read above.....this is what Im doing 1-3 D-Bol 40mg per day 4 D-Bol 35,30,25,20,15,10,10 1-8 400mg Deca 500mg Sus Split into two injections monday and Thursay. Shot through a 23g 1" for thighs/delts. 21G 1.5" for the glutes. Post cycle Clomid 50mg/100mg/50mg and Clen two weeks on two weeks off. Have I missed anything? Big Al *************************** Everything is in place........im coming to the darkside. A week on Sunday I will be one of you ..........lol Just uping the Kcal in my diet to a massive 4500! Got to give the juice something to work with! Big Al *************************** hope it all goes well hope u will keep us posted !! not that I need to ask that!! peace jason *************************** No Bro, You well recieve Weekly......no Daily.....no in fact you will receive Hourly updates to my progress! LOL And for those who subscribe Im offering personal email updates..... .....Seriously thanks for all the advice and help. I feel confident I have made the right decision and have the knowledge to be safe and healthy which is always my priority good gains come next! Thanks again guys you are THE BEST! Big Al *************************** HI, It ain't Yoda's Stack anymore.........its my stack. The line has been crossed the boundries extended. My Girlfriend injected me today, every went smoothly. The amps an arse and drawing up is harder than I'd imagined. But all in all it went very well. Thanks you all for your help, Mike and Jason I've learnt alot......thank you! I think the phrase goes......I've joined the darkside.....welcome aboard. Be Big and be Safe. Big Al (getting Bigger!) *************************** bout damn time good luck bro be safe M *************************** Hi, I would say I'm making excellent progress. It was an adjustment at first but things are starting to move forward now. I'm just finishing week 3, and next week will taper the D-Bol from 40-10mg per day. I'm up to 230LBS, up 13LBS since the start of my course. I weighed by self earlier and I was 235, but I think the scale must have been wrong. It was a proper stand on scale, but anyway I'm growing. Strengh is up, and my g/f is very happpy LOL No negative side affects (touch wood). A little less tolerant but that can be quite funny if you just say "its just the gear....I will not kill today!" Sleeping fine, alittle hot but BP and RHR A OK. I'm looking forward to weeks 4/5 as I can feel the deca/Sus kicking in. Thanks for all the support and help! Did you get a chance to check your mail? Take Care and Train Hard BA *****************************